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Post by scriptman on Jul 17, 2008 19:16:28 GMT 1
I have to say folks...he has to be one of the all time greatest actors. He's incredible. I've seen 4 films of his in the last couple of month- Nick of Time, Pirates of the Caribbean, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and The Libertine ..... and it's hard to believe it's the same person.
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Post by foo on Jul 18, 2008 16:14:41 GMT 1
Don't forget Edward Scissorhands.
I agree, scriptman...he's brilliant. No fear of HIM being typecast.
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Post by acido on Jul 19, 2008 1:19:27 GMT 1
Hey Script, Im glad you said that about the film NICK OF TIME (1995). I also think that is brilliant, and an on the edge of your seat type of film. Yes the Pirates films were good and Johnny Depp seems to be great at whatever role he plays. He cant do any wrong it seems. And that makes him a wonderfully under rated actor because he never seems to get the credit that the likes of George Clooney gets. But going back to Nick of time, his character is put in an awful situation by the baddie Chris Walken (who is brilliant as the baddie), and he has to save his daughter. I wont give anymore details away at this stage, just watch it! us.imdb.com/title/tt0113972/
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Post by scriptman on Jul 19, 2008 8:09:18 GMT 1
Brilliant film and like you say edge of the seat time. I think Christopher Walken is another one who is not championed the way his talent deserves.
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Post by foo on Jul 19, 2008 12:46:56 GMT 1
Gary Oldman is also very underated. He was brilliant in Dracula. Dracula
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Post by exiledwhite on Jul 19, 2008 15:54:19 GMT 1
Don't forget that good ol Johnny started in films like Nightmare On Elm Street and a bit part in Platoon as well.....
.....a good actor but not one of the greats though
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Post by acido on Jul 20, 2008 1:25:24 GMT 1
The problem with hollywood though, is they love to use English actors, like Gary Oldman, as a baddie. Usually the majority of their films and sitcoms have to have an English man if they want a baddie or some sort of character with a quirk.
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Post by scriptman on Jul 20, 2008 10:29:41 GMT 1
There was a program on TV a while back about anti-English feeling in Hollywood and a willingness to see all things English ridiculed or humiliated. Mel Gibson stood out as one of the protagonists. The likes of Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, and Tom Selleck were the opposite. Johnny Depp in particular loves to play roles with an English accent speaking part.
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Post by acido on Jul 20, 2008 23:07:11 GMT 1
Im sure they will deny this and say they dont have anything against the English in this way. But there are so many cases of yanks playing British/English characters who are also mad men wanting to take over the world, or posh upper class idiots who drink tea and worship the royal family etc.. Pathetic!
As for Mel Gibson, that doesnt surprise me as hes done it twice now. Taking great delight it seems in making films showing what the English did in history many many centuries ago. Braveheart and The Patriot may have been as true to real history as possible, but does he gt some sort of kick from playing these roles?
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Post by wortleygirl on Jul 20, 2008 23:22:16 GMT 1
As for Mel Gibson, that doesnt surprise me as hes done it twice now. Taking great delight it seems in making films showing what the English did in history many many centuries ago. Braveheart and The Patriot may have been as true to real history as possible, but does he gt some sort of kick from playing these roles? Braveheart was a load of unadulterated NON History. William Wallace was a murderer and a thief, he is only reverred in Scotland because of his "victory" over the English. The "princess" he married in the film...wasn't actually born in real life for a couple of hundred years after Wallaces time. Because of the "mistakes" in Braveheart..I have to ask..What "mistakes" have been made in The Patriot. Maybe the same kind as in the film "U-571" which even Tony Blair called an affront to the memories of the British sailors who were killed in the "real" operation.
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Post by acido on Jul 20, 2008 23:32:57 GMT 1
I didnt know Braveheart was so bad factually. To hear the jocks talk, its perfect down to every single detail (I wonder why they think that!!??) And didnt Mel Gibson need a stunt man to help him with the jock accent, somebody like Rab C Nesbitt?
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Post by wortleygirl on Jul 20, 2008 23:46:32 GMT 1
Half of the daft buggers in Scotland don't know their own history.
They believe It was the English who stole the Scottish Crown. Conveniently forgetting it was James Vl of Scotland who, when offered the Crown of England after Elizabeth's death, couldn't get his ass down to London quick enough, followed by all his Court. The also forget it was the SCOTTISH Parliament who voted in the Act of Union..moving the entire Parliament to London. They truly believe it was England who did it.
A case of..."A big boy did it and ran away".
I know they are like this, because I lived in Scotland for 27 years and every bad thing that happened was all the fault of The English. And No...I'm not Anti Scottish...I am part Scottish myself.
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Post by scriptman on Jul 21, 2008 7:45:33 GMT 1
.....it's after James II the Scots really thought we nicked the crown when we installed a Protestant King.
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Post by wortleygirl on Jul 21, 2008 16:11:27 GMT 1
Script
James Vl of Scotland WAS Protestant, that's why he was offered the English Crown and he thereby became
James Vl of Scotland James l of England.
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Post by scriptman on Jul 21, 2008 18:49:28 GMT 1
Script James Vl of Scotland WAS Protestant, that's why he was offered the English Crown and he thereby became James Vl of Scotland James l of England. I do appreciate that wortleygirl.....hence Catesby, Guy Fawkes and the attempted assassination. I was moving forward a few years to James II the Catholic King. I think it was Charles who should have been the rightful heir to the thrown, but it was given to his daughter Anne and William who were protestants.....at which started the Jacobean rebellion.
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Post by scriptman on Jul 21, 2008 18:53:56 GMT 1
James not Charles I've just checked it on Wikipedia. He was known as James the Old Pretender... Charles was the Young Pretender. How did this go from Johnny Depp to this
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Post by wortleygirl on Jul 21, 2008 22:38:57 GMT 1
It went via some Anti English Hollywood types ie Mel Gibson.
you must admit between us...we are a right educated bunch ;D ;D
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Post by acido on Jul 22, 2008 0:43:43 GMT 1
Didnt Craig Brown and the jock team go and watch Braveheart the night before playing England at Wembley, during Euro 96? Maybe thats the reason they lost to us the following day. Gary Mac must have been thinking of the 'freeeedom' speech when he missed that penalty
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Post by scriptman on Jul 22, 2008 9:23:04 GMT 1
you must admit between us...we are a right educated bunch ;D ;D It's the sort of forum I am wanting. I don't mean a bunch of eggheads....but somewhere where folk can argue, discuss, reflect..contribute their stories and knowledge etc... without being subjected to nastiness or the threads hijacked by cyber warriors. acido I thought it was Uri Geller who made Gary Mac miss the penalty
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Post by wortleygirl on Jul 22, 2008 23:03:34 GMT 1
you must admit between us...we are a right educated bunch ;D ;D It's the sort of forum I am wanting. I don't mean a bunch of eggheads....but somewhere where folk can argue, discuss, reflect..contribute their stories and knowledge etc... without being subjected to nastiness or the threads hijacked by cyber warriors. acido I thought it was Uri Geller who made Gary Mac miss the penalty Script Most, if not all of us on here are from Yorkshire...we were born to argue, discuss, reflect etc ;D ;D ;D Acido,Script MacAllister missed the penalty because he'd been total crap at Wembley ALL year. (check out the League Cup earlier in the year )
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