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Post by scriptman on Oct 4, 2008 17:16:10 GMT 1
What time does X-Factor start?
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Post by acido on Oct 4, 2008 20:58:29 GMT 1
About 4 minutes to 1.
4-1, get it? I'll get me coat.
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Post by animallittle on Oct 5, 2008 17:01:11 GMT 1
Never thought i would see the day when Donny were not up for a scrap against us,but that is basically what we saw yesterday and the difference from 2 or 3 years ago. SOD''s put together a very good technical side,they pass the ball very well and the movement is excellent,at times we were chasing shadows as Donny's passing game cut right through us,De Silva and Leon in the middle of the park for us were second best for 50 minutes and its the first time i have seen De Silva made to look very ordinary at times. The sending off changed the whole game of course,whether Donny got complacent or we went up a gear is open to question,a combination of the two i think,the quality of the goals we scored was very impressive,however most ccc sides would not have let JCR run that far with the ball at his feet,why Stott did not foul him on the half way line prior to his amazing run and goal is beyond me,once Fozzie equalised the momentum swung our way but Donny just fell apart and it was quite revealing. Donny need to get tough and bring in a couple of big strong characters who wont allow that to happen,a goalscorer too but you knew that in anycase. Its still going to be a struggle for both sides and we all have to remain positive that there are 3 teams in this league worse than ourselfs and i'm not sure at this stage who they are,if anybody,still worried about our prospects but maybe not as worried if i were a Rover.
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Post by scriptman on Oct 5, 2008 17:59:02 GMT 1
If I would have known four month ago that Donny would get a tonking at Oakwell, I would have felt sick in anticipation. After Donny's recent results...I don't feel sick after yesterday... in fact I don't feel anything, but a slight sense of embarrassment. These accolades of pretty football, technically good, a good passing team....mean absolutely zilch if we can't score goals. What a great epitaph it will read.. 'Donny a great football side but can't buy a goal and now find themselves back in league one' We weren't free scoring last season. Everybody could see what needed to be done but seemingly SO'D couldn't. I can't take anything away from Barnsley in all of this. Barnsley did what Barnsley do best and that's to battle in the face of adversity, and whilst doing so showed Donny exactly what bottlers and lightweights we are. There's just no getting away from this. It's up to SO'D to sort it out, and sort it out now. If Donny go down this season, that's me done with them. I've not waited almost 50 years to see Donny reach the second tier of English football and then go down with a whimper. There's pride at stake....and there's nowt worse than hurt pride.
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Post by animallittle on Oct 5, 2008 18:18:07 GMT 1
Maybe we have the edge in the battling department through having fought off relegation twice now,i dont know where you go from here Script to be honest,because the type of player you need in there is just not the sort SOD generally looks for and he sticks to his principles,but all the very successful sides have them,Fergie did not buy Paul Ince and Roy Keane for their passing ability in the 90's did he,its pretty evident where both ourselfs and Rovers are going to be this season and thats at the bottom in a relegation scrap,you need some big strong characters in situation's like this and technical ability is not the requirement,he needs to swallow his principles or the writings on the wall,whether he will do that i dont know.
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Post by scriptman on Oct 5, 2008 19:35:40 GMT 1
I'm not sure either. I really thought we'd do well in this league. I figured we'd have more space, more time on the ball. The problem is though is that we are so predictable. You sit back and Donny will run rings around you....whether or not we'd score in the process is another matter, but if you come at Donny...take the game to them, then we just can't cope. We couldn't cope against Cheltenham last season in our biggest game ever...so what chance have we against better players? I'm at a loss at the moment. The only saving grace is that SO'D has a fortnight to think long and hard and see where we go from here.
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Post by animallittle on Oct 5, 2008 20:14:56 GMT 1
I dont want to see any of the south yorkshire clubs relegated,rivals we may be,but what's the point when you are in different division's,alot of Donny fans have waited along time for this and its turning into a damp squid at the moment. The similarities between our year in the premiership and yourselfs at the moment are quite similar,we had all the post match good will comments to last us a lifetime,play the right way,refreshing to see a team come here to attack,and carrry on like that and you will survive,its all total crap of course,what we wanted to hear was premiership managers getting angry and calling us f everything from a pig to a dog,when that happens you know you are doing something right,everything else is just patronising and it gets on your nerves after a while.
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Post by upthecolliers on Oct 5, 2008 21:38:47 GMT 1
I have to agree with animal both Donny and Barnsley will be scraping it out at the bottom end of the league come May. But yesterday's game the Donny penalty. It looked to me as the Donny player just ran into the goal post, no one as picked up on this or do I want to get an appointment at specsavers.
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Post by acido on Oct 6, 2008 1:01:28 GMT 1
"If Donny go down this season, that's me done with them. I've not waited almost 50 years to see Donny reach the second tier of English football and then go down with a whimper. There's pride at stake....and there's nowt worse than hurt pride."
Im surprised to hear you say that Script, but I know the feeling. Ive also thought many times that Ive had enough of supporting Barnsley, but Ive always gone back to them again a few days later. You just cant give all those years of supporting a team up, as much as it feels like it at the moment.
Do you think that Donny were always going to find it hard this season, and if so, will it be so unexpected if they do go straight back down? A lot of compariosn has been made here with Scunthorpe last season.
Im surprised to keep hearing fans say this is an over rated and poor league. I strongly disagree, and think its a hugely competitive league and its getting harder to survive in each season.
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Post by roverdude on Oct 6, 2008 7:25:00 GMT 1
script in the end i was hoping that barnsley would score a few more and that SOD would walk away in embarrassment. i have never been a fan of his - its all well and good people saying but he won you promotion (we did our best to throw that away). if JR is serious about stopping in this league he needs to bring in a manager that can put some steel in the side, i'd settle for scruffy one nils for now. its alright him blaming players in press but the fact is he had byfield warming up for about about 15 minutes in which time we conceded 2 goals. o connor was weighed measured and found lacking, campbell ryce went by him throughout the game, surely we should have doubled up on him (or in old money given him a good kick to slow him down). SOD states we were dominant until DM got sent off - did he not see the saves Sulli (actually) made in first half - we were lucky to go in in front. we were beaten by a much better side one with a desire to win and a cutting edge - we pass the ball well but everything is too slow and concentrated in middle of pitch. not sure if locky and mills dont get on but they dont seem to be able to play together, locky was immense (much to my surprise) against blades but everytime he plays mills is off his game. i hope greer is nearly fit - the 300k we spent on mills should have gone on a class forward.
sorry rant and whinge over.
congrats to rotherham wiping out points deductions - see you at kms next season
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Post by scriptman on Oct 6, 2008 8:05:57 GMT 1
My biggest worry is that SO'D will only go out and buy SO'D type players. Fancy dan football is pleasing on the eye but there has to be an end product. I fear that SO'D is a stubborn man who won't abandon his principles. If this is the case, then he needs to find someone who can play the SO'D way and who can score goals. I think Simon Davey last Saturday out-thought the thinker. Our wing play comes by way of O'Connor and and Roberts, but when they get forward we are left totally exposed and by all accounts the black winger for Barnsley exploited this to the full. I'm really not sure about SO'D walking just yet...although I have to say that I am nowhere near as confident of his ability to turn things around this year as I was last. Last season I always thought there was more to come.....but this season I think we've played the best we can play and produced nothing.
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Post by animallittle on Oct 6, 2008 21:05:45 GMT 1
Its going to interesting in 3 weeks time as to how SOD plans to deal with JCR,surely after running o'Connor and the rest of the Donny back four a merry dance he's got to come up with something,read on most of the Donny message boards that o'Connor and co were simply not good enough to deal with him,i think that's probably a little un-fair,JCR is more than capable of destroying the best in this league and we are now seeing him do that on a more consistent basis,would not be suprised to see him linked to a move to a bigger club in January,but i guess thats just part and parcel of life following the Tykes,still its going to be very interesting to see how Donny react to the defeat on saturday when we meet at the Keepmoat and maybe we will see just how good your manager really is,because that's the true test of a guys credentials.
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Post by hometownpride on Oct 6, 2008 21:21:02 GMT 1
The only way to stop it IMO is to play JOC and Roberts as wing backs and plug them in just behind our midfield, so that when stock and Copps go in soft like against Southampton and Barnsley 10 yards behind our are wing backs to back up the narrow midfield and win the second challenge.
Also if we play JOC and Roberts as wing backs we need three center backs because joc was playing as a wing back Saturday and he could not get back in to position fast enough hence mills trying to hold up the barnsley attacks which looked bad on mils part, but i could see what milsy was trying to do.
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Post by roverdude on Oct 7, 2008 7:07:12 GMT 1
i have spoken about that myself htp, i think we could make it work with 3 centre backs, personally i dont think sam hird has done much wrong this season and i'd love to see a fit greer back in side, all told however i am not 100% convinced about JOC, his positioning leaves a lot to be desired. however lets put this into perspective - the current squad is not quite strong enough, i agree we are playing some lovely football, but teams at this level have a big scouting network and you dont have to be einstein to figure out that we have no end product.
by the way was SOD watching a different game to me 'we were dominant until Moore got sent off', personally until then i thought sullivan was man of the match, his saves kept us in game
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Post by hometownpride on Oct 10, 2008 1:11:47 GMT 1
Its been obvious for three games now that milsy is not right, so three center backs could help out there . Is milsy still carrying a injury?
Roverdude, I was thinking three center backs would be a quick fix, but the more i think about it the more it makes sense.
What do we lose by having a extra center back? For me we lose a striker, so that means we have two central strikers instead of wide forward wingers.
If we play three center backs then our extra man can cover joc because without greeny joc is lost IMO and he is finding it hard to get back when he goes forward, so a extra center back would cover him.
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Post by hometownpride on Oct 10, 2008 1:29:19 GMT 1
Just to add... I agree with 99% of what you said roverdude, but lets leave that for another day
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Post by scriptman on Oct 21, 2008 8:07:16 GMT 1
Prediction for Doncaster v Barnsley next match (I'll be away)
I'll go 3-0 to Donny. We'll really be up for this one..both the crowd and team. Please lord.... let it be 3-0... or better still 5-0.
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Post by animallittle on Oct 22, 2008 22:27:25 GMT 1
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Post by acido on Oct 22, 2008 23:55:24 GMT 1
Knowing Davey as we do... hhhmmm ok here goes. The Sheff Wensday win and lucky draw against Bristol City will be a distant memory, and we'll be 2 or 3 down at Donny and playing terribly. He'll be stood there with his arms folded, and although Rigters will be doing sod all up front, he will bring on another defender in the last 10 minutes. Sound familiar?
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Post by hometownpride on Oct 23, 2008 0:56:15 GMT 1
;D
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